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Live Web Chat Transcript:
Exercise for Healthy Heart and Body- December 12, 2007
Gordon Blackburn, Ph.D. |
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Cleveland_Clinic_Host: Welcome Dr. Blackburn, and thank you for joining us today. Let's begin with one of the questions! Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Thank you for having me |
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Exercise and Heart Rate Jerry3: What does it mean when your heart beats very fast when you exercise and does not slow down after for a while. Am I just out of shape, is this normal? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Heart rate rises with exercise - predicted max heart rate = 220 - age plus/minus 14 - as the heart increases cardiac output to meet the demands of exercise. The rate of rise is dependent on fitness. A well conditioned athlete will have a significantly lower heart rate for the same exercise level. For example speed of walking - as compared to the unconditioned individual. However, for the same age group of normals there is little difference in the HR achieved at peak exertion or peak heart rate. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Once exercise is stopped the heart rate should rapidly decrease. The rate of initial decline is associated with the resumption of vagal control (neural mediated reduction of heart rate). If the heart rate does not decline (greater than 12 bpm in the first minute - this is associated with an increased risk of death in the future and is one prognostic variable assessed during exercise testing. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: There is also a prolonged heart rate recovery which can take up to an hour after exercise - depending on the duration and intensity of an exercise session, as well as the person's level of conditioning. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Without appropriate warm-up or a rapid increase in exercise intensity, especially to a high relative intensity (ie. greater than 75% of capacity) the person may be unable to meet the demands of exercise aerobically (use oxygen for creation of energy) and the person incurs an oxygen debt. If the intensity remains high, the oxygen debt is carried (or increased)during exercise and this must be repaid in recovery. The greater the oxygen debt, the longer heart rate will remain elevated in recovery. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Also heat effects heart rate response - or body temperature. As we exercise, we increase metabolism and because we are inefficient machine, much of that energy is put off as heat. If the body cannot dissipate that heart, the body temperature rises and this causes a rise in heart rate. If the body temperature remains elevated in recovery so too does the body heart rate. On hot humid days, after long, high level exercise bouts, the body temperature can rise significantly and will remain elevated longer in recovery. Therefore the heart rate will also remain elevated longer in recovery. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The inability to increase heart rate with exercise is also associated with increased risk of mortality. Individuals who are unable to reach at least 85% of the age predicted maximal heart rate on an exercise test have 1.5 to 2 fold greater likelihood of death all cause and cardiac) as compared to the individual who is able to reach more than the 85% level. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Heart rate can be significantly affected by medications. B-blockers are one class of medication (used to control blood pressure, heart failure, arrhythmia management, cardio-protection after MI or CABG) significantly blunts HR response at rest and during ex. The risk of blunted HR response to exercise applies only to exercise tests conducted off B-blocker medication. |
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Exercise and Aortic Aneurysm marybeth: What guidelines can be offered for someone with an aortic aneurysm? Does its size or location make a difference? What about after surgery? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Certainly the size of the aneurysm is a critical issue as well as location. That is a decision between the surgeon and the patient. After surgery, we actually have very little data for patients after aneurysm surgery. The general guidelines are to return to a moderate level of activity. That can occur a few weeks after surgery once the patient feels up to it. The goals of exercise for the post aneurysm surgery patient are focused more on improving functional capacity to decrease the vascular stress during normal daily activities, and aid with weight management and blood pressure control. The patient is still at risk for re-development of an aneurysm, so we will use blood pressure guidelines for activity and focus in on aerobic exercise and tend to steer away from weight training. RCoren: I have an aortic aneurysm, at the aortic root that is being watched for change before proceeding to surgery. In the meanwhile I have been told to alter my workouts at the gym. I usually use 40-50 pound weights but have been warned not to use more than 1- pounds. This seems so ridiculously light tome that I have, instead, given up the weighs altogether. This bothers me very much. What should I do? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The risk with the aneurysm is that elevations in blood pressure can more rapidly cause deterioration or in worse cases, rupture. With aggressive weight lifting the rise in systolic and diastolic blood pressure can put significant stress on an already weakened tissue and should be avoided. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The specific weight restrictions should be based on your response to any activity and are best known by your cardiologist who knows your specific case. You can consider participation in a supervised monitored program if your cardiologist supports this. |
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Exercise After Heart Surgery marybeth: How long after heart surgery can someone resume a weight exercise program? What if the surgery is done robotically? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The typical guidelines are: wait until the sternum is stable before resuming weight training - typically 6 to 8 weeks after the surgery. When the patient does initiate a resistance training program the guidelines are to focus on large muscle groups of the upper and lower extremities and select weights that can be lifted 10 - 15 repetitions (individual lift), achieving local muscle fatigue between the 10th and 15th. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Each exercise should be repeated for at least one set and optimal benefit is gained with two sets. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The activity should be repeated at least twice per week and ideally three times per week on non-consecutive days. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Resistance training is valuable because we all lose strength as we age. Women achieve peak strength at 18 to 20 and men at 20 to 25 years of age. Objects continue to weigh exactly the same. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The data says that patients with corrected heart disease can safely engage in weight resistance training but the cardiovascular benefits are achieved through an aerobic training program. While lifting, patients should avoid straining (valsalva maneuver). If the patient does strain, that is viewed as achieving fatigue. robert: I had minimally invasive valve surgery 3 weeks ago? I used to cycle long distances. When can I get back to that? When can I start training again? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The benefits of regular exercise for patients with or without cardiovascular disease are well documented. However it is important to differentiate between the guidelines for health benefit and the guidelines for competitive sports. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The heath benefits of exercise are associated with moderate intensity aerobic exercise ( 50 - 75 percent of functional capacity), while many competitive training programs encourage (or require) higher exercise intensities. The focus of competition is too often on winning or placing well in the event, while the health benefits focus on optimal quality and quantity of life. It is not that individuals with heart conditions cannot return to competitive events but the risk vs. the benefits must be considered. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Exercising at higher intensities (greater than 75%) has not been associated with significant added heath benefits. However there is increased cardiovascular as well as orthopedic risk of higher intensity exercise. As the intensity and duration of exercise become extended there is also increased risk of dehydration, hyperthermia and hypothermia that must be considered. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: The primary focus of cardiac rehabilitation is to optimize health benefits and minimize risks for patients with heart conditions. The decision as to what level of exercise is appropriate is individualized for each patient and should be discussed with your managing cardiologist. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Cycling is an excellent aerobic activity and, if appropriate, I encourage you to return to it as soon as you are cleared by your cardiologist. Under the supervision of your cardiac rehab staff and physicians they will be able to guide your return to a safe, enjoyable cycling program. |
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Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and Exercise marybeth: What restrictions are needed for someone with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy? I have heard that weigh lifting should be limited. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: With aerobic exercise, the average pressure in the arteries changes little. Systolic pressure goes up but diastolic pressure goes down. However with resistance training, both systolic and diastolic pressure rises. And with, relatively higher weights, systolic and diastolic pressure can go up significantly which can cause the pressure in the heart to rise (which is also a muscle). This can cause further hypertrophy, which can worsen the condition in the long run. Immediately the increase in the systolic and diastolic blood pressure can worsen the obstruction and can lead to worsened symptoms and increases risk. |
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Cardiac Rehabilitation marybeth: A friend recently started a cardiac rehabilitation program. He said he is walking at a 4.0 met protocol. What does that mean? How is that protocol system used? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: A met is the unit that we use to describe the cost of activity or exercise. One met is the energy cost of sitting in a chair. Four mets is four times resting level. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: When establishing an exercise prescription for a patient, we typically recommend 50 to 75 percent of their peak met level. That is determined from a graded exercise test. marybeth: A friend of mine had recent aortic valve surgery, and was considering cardiac rehab afterwards. His insurance company wouldn't pay, because he was told it was an elective surgery. How can valve surgery be elective? Does insurance cover this program? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: I am unclear of the situation regarding the valve surgery, however, since one and one-half years ago, Medicare expanded the coverage of cardiac rehabilitation for valve repair and replacement as far as coverage. Coverage for cardiac rehabilitation varies between insurance companies, therefore your friend may need to check with his insurance company to see his coverage for this service. marybeth: I had bypass surgery. I want to join a cardiac rehab class. What should I look for in a program? I heard I might need a stress test. Why do I have to do that when I just had bypasses done? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Historically the primary reason for doing a graded exercise test in a cardiology setting was to diagnose CAD. In the past decade we have found that the exercise test can provide information about future risk as well as providing information about your present functional capacity. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: To achieve the maximum benefit and avoid the risk it is important that the patient exercise at the appropriate intensity. By doing the exercise test we can determine the maximum or peak capacity and based on that, select the appropriate exact exercise intensity. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: In selecting a cardiac rehab program, one of the key things to consider is if the program is certified. The American Assoc of Cardiovascular and Pulmonary Rehab accredit cardiac rehab programs nationally. In addition, guidelines for cardiac rehab programs were recently published in November of 2007 in Circulation, which outline the critical components of a cardiac rehab program and will serve as a good reference. carrie: How soon after traditional, open heart chest heart surgery can I start a cardiac rehabilitation program? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Cardiac rehabilitation is typically separated into several Phases. Phase I cardiac rehabilitation refers to the inpatient portion of the program. This portion starts as soon as the patient is stable after surgery/heart attack or interventional procedure, either in the intensive care unit or as soon as the patient is transferred to the cardiac care nursing floor. This portion of the program includes range of motion activities, self-paced/low level walking and basic activities of daily living (ie. stair climbing). Phase I activities offset the deconditioning and hemodynamic complications associated with bed rest. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Phase II cardiac rehabilitation starts immediately to shortly after discharge from the hospital. This can be either a medically supervised or self-supervised program. The timing is individualized, based on the patient’s status, interest, overall risk level and ability to travel to and from the supervised program. Phase II can start as early as 3 days after discharge but may not commence until 6 to 8 weeks after open heart surgery when the patient is cleared to resume driving or until the patient is seen and cleared post-op by their cardiologist. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Participation in supervised cardiac rehab programs has consistently demonstrated a 25 to 30 percent reduction in cardiovascular, as well as all-cause mortality as compared to patients who do not participate in a cardiac rehabilitation program. |
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Exercise and Circulation marybeth: I always thought that exercise promotes collateral circulation in the heart. Then I heard that wasn't true. I know exercise is good for you, but can it promote collaterals? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Good question. Exercise can promote collateral circulation but this is a gradual process that probably requires some level of ongoing ischemia (decreased blood supply to the heart muscle tissue) to stimulate the collateral development. Collateral development is only one of the many benefits derived from aerobic exercise. SCmom: I have varicose veins starting. I don't want them to get worse. Can exercise help prevent them? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: No. Exercise can be very beneficial in the treatment of peripheral arterial disease. However, when it comes to varicose veins and regular aerobic exercise - I am not aware of any benefits. |
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Exercise and Orthopedic Problems Jon: What are the best exercises for a person with a history of knee injuries. I used to run but with my knee problems I can't do it anymore. Walking for long periods (more than 30 minutes) is painful. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Orthopedic injuries are the primary reason people discontinue aerobic exercise programs. The best type of activity depends on the specific orthopedic problem that you have.Non weight bearing activities tend to be better tolerated for individuals with orthopedic limitations of the knee. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: These would include cycling, swimming, water walking, and one popular activity available in supervised cardiac rehab programs is a Nu-step (a seated stepper). |
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Blood Pressure and Exercise george: how high is it ok for your blood pressure to go to when you are exercising? I have mitral valve prolapse. Is it ok to exercise. Can high blood pressure with exercise cause your valve to be damaged? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Chronic exposure to high blood pressure will increase the stress on the valve. However, there is no absolute guideline for inappropriate blood pressures with exercise for valve patients. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Having said that, we would not typically like to see the systolic blood pressure exceed 180 mm/Hg. But this is dependent on other conditions and may need to be modified. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: In individuals who do exercise on a regular basis, typically do experience a decrease in systolic and diastolic blood pressure. An appropriate elevation of blood pressure during 30 to 60 min of exercise can provide an overall reduction or benefit of blood pressure throughout the day, which will help to preserve valve function in the long run. chris: Do I have to take blood pressure lowering medications or can I just exercise and follow a low sodium diet to reduce high blood pressure. My bp is currently 142/90. How long would I be able to try the lifestyle changes before medication needs to be prescribed as a treatment for my bp? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Regular aerobic exercise has been associated with a modest decrease in both systolic diastolic blood pressure. This is typically in the range of 5 to 15 mm Hg inpatients with essential hypertension. This is more pronounced in younger than older individuals. The benefit depends on the continuation of exercise. The level of decline in blood pressure seems to be more dependent on the intensity of exercise than the frequency. If the exercise intensity is less than 50 percent of peak capacity, the benefit is minimal. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: If exercise program is stopped (as with medication) the blood pressure returns to its baseline level. Possible mechanisms include decreased levels of norepinephrine as well as augmented endothelium-depended vasodilatation through increased production of nitric oxide. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Based on your blood pressure, certainly other risk factors need to be figured into this. If this is your only risk factor, diet and exercise over three months should be enough time to see significant benefit. |
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Pedometers and Exercise angie: Can you recommend a good brand of pedometer that can calculate my calories burned as well as steps walked? Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Pedometers are one excellent tool to promote and quantify exercise. A recent article in the Journal of American Medical Assoc. Published Nov. 21, 2007 (Bravata et al., reported on 26 studies that used pedometers to track exercise. The pedometer groups increased their physical activity approx. 27% over baseline, walking approx. 2500 steps more per day than controls. The key to the added exercise were dependent on established steps/day goals. Across studies the pedometer group also demonstrated a significant decrease in body mass index and systolic blood pressure. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: There are a large number of pedometers available on the market and reviews of top pedometers are available on the internet and in consumers report. WE do not recommend specific brands but Omron and Yamax Digiwalker pedometers have been used in several of the research studies. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: AS a word of caution, the step counts and calories are affected by several variables, such as location of device placement, types of activities stride length and body weight. This can effect the validity of the data provided, put pedometers can provide reliable, general feedback regarding activity levels and changes in activity. |
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| Cleveland_Clinic_Host: I'm sorry to say that our time with Dr. Gordon Blackburn is over. Dr. Blackburn, thank you again for taking the time to answer our questions today. Speaker_-_Gordon_Blackburn: Thank you. Technology for web chats paid in part by an educational grant from AT&T Ohio and the AT&T Foundation (formerly SBC). © Copyright -2007 The Cleveland Clinic Foundation. All rights reserved.10/07 |
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